Naturopath, herbalist, and cannabis advocate Carmen Bubner has a personal story that is sure to pique your curiosity. Get comfortable, open your mind, and join us on this fascinating journey into the world of natural remedies, where we explore the surprising benefits of cannabis and its potential to improve our well-being and our furry companions.

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• Release Date: Monday, October 9, 2023
• Episode Number: Season 1, Episode 56
• Special Guest: Carmen Bubner, founder of Plant Wisdom

Carmen: And see what we can find. So we decided that’s the last resort. We’ll just do that. And. She had a multitude of sinus cavities, which never actually went anywhere. They all ended and the bacteria that she had, they said, was very normal. It was like a staff infection. About a week or so after the operation, it came back again.

Carmen: So we thought that was a bit of a waste, but at least we knew it wasn’t fully internal. All the veterinarian could offer was antibiotics, which I didn’t want to do. A girlfriend of mine asked if we had tried cannabis. I told her that I hadn’t and she offered to get something to try. It came in a little jar and I didn’t even know how they made it or what it was. We put it into her food and within two months it started to clear up. It was gone within five months. That was great.

Carmen: That started my journey of looking into the medicinal aspects of this plant and what it was actually doing. When we took her off of it, it returned in three months. So we put her back on it again for about nine months before we took her off again. Now that she’s 13 years old, she takes it every day because she’s got a bit of arthritis and some other things. I find that she’s happier, healthier, and better on it, as well. She has a few drops in her food every single day. I was totally amazed.

Carmen: I was honest with the vets that what they were doing hadn’t worked and that this is what has worked. They were quite happy that I had used it. They’ve been seeing a lot of antibiotic resistant infections, especially in animals, and she didn’t have anything that was odd or different; it just wasn’t going away. Now we keep an eye on her, but she hasn’t had anything for a good couple of years now and it hasn’t come back.

Emily: I’m so happy to hear such a success story and that you still have her and she’s living her doggy life later on in life. Now I’m interested, you said you work as a naturopath and an herbalist and you said that this opened your mind up to the possibility of cannabis. Explain that a little bit and how that worked after. 

Carmen: Obviously as a teenager, people do experiment with cannabis and things like that. I did and I would say that I had a bit of a strange experience with it when I was younger. I never touched it again afterward and never really thought about the plant much. People would talk about it and call it every different name under the sun, but you can learn more about it and open your mind to the medicinal aspects. I’ve done a lot of studies, courses, and book research. I also work with the plant spirit, so I’ve set up a little sanctuary where I live, working with plants and the spirit of plants. I think it’s opened up a whole different respect and understanding for the plant. Unfortunately, Australia is really far behind in what the US is doing. 

Emily: May I ask, for my US listeners, what does it look like in Australia? Is it illegal? Is it decriminalized? Give us a little bit of a background. 

Carmen: So I actually did a little bit of research last night looking at the whole aspect. So in my state where I am, it’s illegal. You’re not allowed to grow, you’re not allowed to have a possession. They do roadside testing and things like that, similar to what they do for alcohol. 

Carmen: The interesting thing is that the general population is not allowed to have it, but some doctors can dispense it now. There’s actually one clinic that I do know of where you can get a prescription for it, but the legalities are so confusing. If you get tested, you can still get fined or other things, even if you have a prescription. It’s all very confusing.

Carmen: The only area that it is allowed is basically the Capital Territory. You’re allowed to grow two plants per person and you’re allowed to have a certain amount of grams. You’re still not allowed to consume it in public at all. And that’s the state where all the politicians are.

Emily: The same is in the United States here. Do you see progress being made? Are you hopeful for the future of cannabis? 

Carmen: I am. And in some aspects, there is progress that’s being made. And unfortunately over here, I feel that it’s very much taken over by the pharmaceutical industry. They’re allowed to do what they do and make, but for me, especially being a naturopath and herbalist and having a passion for plants, it’s a plant that should belong to all of us, not just the pharmaceutical companies. When I look at what it has done for other people, as well, it’s improving their health and well-being. It’s amazing and so easily accessible.

Emily: I was going to ask, can you get it? Do a lot of people use it?

Carmen: It is prevalent. We have what we call a Therapeutic Goods Association, we call the TGA, and it doesn’t look like they’ve approved it under their banner because there hasn’t been enough study or evidence. There is a lot of information out there about it now. I think that people do find the dosage and preparations both difficult aspects to work with. 

Emily: Do you have any advice for someone listening to you from Australia? What would you recommend if they’re feeling like they want to try cannabis but don’t know where to start?

Carmen: Talk to someone that they feel knows, or has that information, or can help them. Many people will say to buy from a reputable place, but there are people out there that are making good medicine at home, too. Or learn as much as you can and do it yourself. That way, you know what you’re using and what you’re consuming.  

Emily: That’s perfect advice. I just want to ask, have you had the opportunity to grow one yet? 

Carmen: Maybe. 

Emily: Isn’t it the most exciting experience to watch it grow?

Carmen: I think that’s the thing with any medicine, like herbal medicine, and that sort of aspect. That’s one way to really connect yourself with the plant is to grow, harvest, make medicine, on all levels, mind, body, spirit. 

Emily: I need to tap into your herbalist wisdom and I need to ask you about your five element plant spirit healing work. Can you tell us more about that? I’m super interested.

Carmen: So basically I form relationships with the plants. I use a lot of shamanic journeying, growing with the plants, spending time with the plants, so that they pretty much become my beloveds. With five element plant spirit healing, I use a five element acupressure that I’ve learned here. Basically, the plants become within you so that you can actually work with them and be able to transfer that energy to an acupressure point to help unlock and release something. 

Carmen: The five element acupressure works very much on the spiritual aspect, as well as the physical and emotional being. It’s a beautiful process. You don’t have to be with the plant for plant spirit healing to work. You can work with the energy and spirit of that plant, too. 

Carmen: I’ve done a combination of things that I’ve learned. I actually traveled to the US a few years ago because my mentor, Pam Montgomery, lives in Vermont. She came to Australia a few years back and quite a few of us went through her plant spirit healing training and plant spirit communication with her.

Emily: The more I learn about cannabis, the more I become interested in other plants and herbalism is something that I am so interested in. Can you talk a little bit about how you incorporate that with cannabis in your everyday life to support your health and wellness?

Carmen: Cannabis can help with pain, depression, and people who can’t seem to move forward. It can also really help if you’re suffering a lot of anxiety, as well. I find a lot of people that turn to using cannabis generally are in the last time frame of their earthly experience. Many have cancer and are in significant pain or who just want to try it because they have cancer. 

Carmen: On a spiritual level, cannabis is a very big power plant. It’s got a lot of guts and it deserves a lot of respect. It’s almost like it creates this container for you to feel safe in while you experience things.

Emily: The way you said that creates a container for you to feel safe. I’ve talked to so many people about how cannabis helps them feel like it brings them back to themselves and brings them confidence, but I’ve never heard anyone describe it that way. I really like that. It’s hard to sum up into words what cannabis can do, but I like that. 

Emily: I really like how you described your journey into using cannabis, as well. I just find it so amazing that so many people can come to it for so many different reasons, whether it’s pain, anxiety, depression, and it can still help on so many different levels. I find a lot of people once they get what they want, pain relief, anxiety relief, depression relief, they find that cannabis brings them other benefits that they didn’t even know that they could experience, whether it’s an emotional uplift or a spiritual journey. I feel like this plant is so much more than we give it credit for. 

Carmen: Definitely. You can use it externally, as well. You can use it on an area that’s painful and in need of healing, like an aching knee or sore back. 

Emily: We talked a lot about people, but I said, this was the only episode we’ve talked about pets before. 

Carmen: I guess I should get back on the pet topic. 

Emily: It works perfectly for all of us, but for whoever’s listening and they’re thinking about using cannabis for their pet, what advice do you give them on how they can get started?

Carmen: I dispense a few drops of it in my dog’s food. Some people will give it orally, as well. My dog really likes tincture, so I use more of that than the oil. Start off small. Animals don’t need as much as what we like; they don’t have the emotional baggage that we do.

Emily: So true. I never thought of it that way. 

Carmen: Just as with humans, start off with a very small dose and see what happens. I find that animals resonate and take on a lot quicker than humans do. If you give them too much, it’ll wear off. You’re not going to shut down their respiratory system because there’s really no such thing as an overdose. 

Carmen: There was a pamphlet I was looking at last night while researching some of the laws that were about overdosing with cannabis. You can overdose with a pharmaceutical drug and it can take your life away, but cannabis won’t. But pets can have problems with certain preparations. For instance, you don’t want to give a cat an alcoholic tincture because they have a lot of problems with alcohol. You can burn off the alcohol by adding some really hot water to it, but you could also use an oil instead.

Carmen: I think that the dosage can be individual. My dog might be on four drops and another dog might have one drop and be bombed out for the day. Humans are the same. We can have hemp oil here, which people don’t realize is cannabis. 

Emily: Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom about the pet and that experience. I’m so glad that your baby’s doing so well now.

Carmen: Yes. And as I said, she’s 13 now, so I don’t give her any for her infection aspect, because that left, but I just find because she’s always been a bull at a gate her whole life, she’s got a lot of injuries. So she has it more so for pain relief or discomfort and general wellbeing.

Emily: Have you connected with other pet owners who use cannabis for their pets?

Carmen: No, I do know I do know of other people that use it for their animals. Some people know that they’d like to, but they’re a bit scared to use it. For some people, the fear of just having it sitting somewhere is too confronting for them because there’s that fear that it’s a bad plant and that sort of thing. But, as I said, there are places that will dispense it now, but you’re looking at a lot of money for medicine.

Emily: What advice do you have for those who are scared? And I’m sure you were scared when you first started as well. What advice do you have to anyone who might just need to get over that hump? 

Carmen: Research a little bit more about the plant. Dig deep and be a bit brave. It’s a natural being of the earth, and I do harp on it a bit, but it’s our medicine so it needs to stay our medicine. Experiment and talk with someone who might know about it. There are many doctors over here that don’t want to prescribe it because it’s a process, but I think it’s getting easier for people within the medical system. They’re just making it harder for people that want to make their own. 

Emily: How do you think most vets are? Do you think they’re receptive? You said you had a good experience.

Carmen: Yeah. I think that they get to the stage where they tell people to try it. I think my vet made a note about it because they are seeing so many animals with antibiotic-resistant infections.

Emily: If cannabis can be a natural solution, I feel like we have to tell more people about it. That’s why I’m so glad we’re doing this podcast interview because people love their pets just as much as they love their children. And if they could find a solution for them, people would do anything for their animal. 

Carmen: If someone is a bit scared, they could maybe start off with hemp oil. You’re not going to get in trouble for having htat in your fridge.

So yeah, so maybe someone that’s a bit scared, maybe they just start off with hemp oil, you’re not going to get in trouble for having that in your fridge.

Emily: You can get that right at the grocery store down there? 

Carmen: I’m not sure actually. I haven’t seen it in the supermarket, but you can get it in a pharmacy. You can also get it online and there is a big company that grows their own in  Tasmania. We can also get hemp seeds, but they’re all cracked and treated so that you can’t sprout them. 

Emily: Oh my gosh. I really hope that Australia gets on the same path as the States. It sounds like you’re moving in the right direction. I just hope they move a little bit faster because it would be nice. I find it special to talk to someone who’s literally halfway across the world, but we have this bond over this plant that we all should have the right to use and that our eyes have been opened to the benefits of it. It doesn’t matter if I’m in the States and you’re in Australia. This plant is a universal plant and it can help humans and animals. I’m so glad that you came here and shared that with us today. Thank you. I ask my guests the same four questions. Are you ready for them? 

Carmen: Yes. I’m ready.

Emily: Awesome. Perfect. The first question, what are you most proud of in your life? 

Carmen: Helping my animals. And I do actually have one other little experience that I’d like to share that just popped into my head. I live on a rural property and we have a lot of animals. Every year, I get pet lambs. I once had one lamb that was quite sick and I had put her on a mat next to my bed so that I could keep an eye on her. Unfortunately, she was very sick and her life was ending. I promised her that she wouldn’t be in any pain for her last night and I dosed her with cannabis. She died that night, but when I woke up in the morning, she looked like she had just gone to sleep. She had been struggling for breath and I had given her cannabis to keep her relaxed. I’m proud of being able to help those that can’t help themselves.

Emily: I’m so sorry for the loss of that little lamb. It must be so hard, but if you can provide comfort in that last moment, I’m sure that that means more than anything. 

Carmen: Exactly. So seeing her transition from struggling for breath and being anxious to being calm and just going to sleep was beautiful.

Emily: Everybody deserves that, humans and animals. Everyone deserves to be comfortable during your last moments on earth.

Emily: Next question. What do you think your life would look like without cannabis?

Carmen: I probably wouldn’t have Winnie here because the amount of antibiotics that she had would have really wrecked her gut, which would have made her go downhill or something. And probably I wouldn’t be talking to you. 

Emily: I always feel like it’s so magical that we get brought together this way.

Carmen: It’s taken me on a learning journey so that I can help educate others and I can help them so that they don’t feel that the world of cannabis is a big scary world.

Emily: We need more people like you. If you could go back 10, 20, 30 years ago and give yourself a piece of advice, cannabis related or not, what would it be?

Carmen: I spent quite a lot of time being afraid of cannabis. I would tell myself not to be so afraid, to step up and form more of a relationship with the plant. Instead of fearing it, I should look at it as more of a learning curve. 

Emily: Last but not least, if you could be remembered for just one thing, in the cannabis space or not, what would it be? 

Carmen: Probably for helping people, I would say, and support. I’d like to be remembered for lots of things. I’ve created a beautiful little sanctuary where I live, a safe container for people to experience and feel comfortable in, working with the spirit of plants. I’d like to be remembered for that sanctuary, as well. 

Emily: Amazing. Thank you so much for coming here to share your story with me. I love the beauty of the plant. We could go on and on. But again, this is our first pet episode, and I’m really excited that you shared this with us. If other people can help their furry friends too, we talked about the benefits of cannabis for humans, but our furry friends, our favorite companions, if we can provide them the relief too, it’s a win. And I just can’t thank you enough for sharing that with us today. 

Carmen: It’s been great.  

Emily: Any last words of wisdom for anybody listening, whether they’re in Australia or not? 

Carmen: Get out there and learn more about the plants. Many people over here advocate for cannabis. Nature should be medicine and not be wound up in red tape. We’ll just keep going and taking it one day at a time.

Emily: Thank you for taking the time to do this with me today from halfway across the world. I am sending you all my cannabis love. Thank you so much.  

Carmen: Thank you.